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Name: James Ronald Graham jr. <grahjam9@aol.com>
Date: 2013-05-20
Comments:
Very interesting reading, I am wondering if mine are from this line as well?
 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2012-04-05
Name / Email davidg7@gmail.com
Date April 5, 2012
Comments:
I'd be delighted to see your pictures, but I don't hold much hope that we will solve the mystery of Andrew Graham. There were a lot of individuals with that name in the region, and many have tried and failed to discover the connections. Anyway, good luck and please send me the pictures.

David Graham

 

Name: Shirley Cole-Cartman <shirleycartman@aol.com>
Date: 2012-04-04
Comments:
I have tried my best to trace my Grahams for years and have hit a brick walls for my Andrew Graham. I am going to try and send you pics of my Graham family a few at a time. Andrew Graham we know ? NC 1790 but most of them are buried in GA. Hopefully we can find a connection somewhere. My ancestry name is Shirley Cole Cartman and my ancestryis under the Cole Family. My whole graham family is included. I'm going to the AGM Knoxville games and staying with the Grahams. I have a distant cousin who has his dna listed ( Sam Graham ) and we're hoping to find some connection that way for our Andrew who was married to a Rachel ( some say Rachel Collins)
 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2011-04-03
Comments:
Hi, Karen. Unfortunately, the names in your family do not occur in mine. I can't find a single connection. I looked at WorldConnect, however, and found a few pages that seem to cover some of the people you are interested in: for example, look at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mlb2&id=P933967664

Or you can do your own search by starting at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi

I apologize if you are already familiar with WorldConnect. If you discover anything new, however, please let me know. Best of luck.

David Graham

 

Name: Karen D Hamilton <khamil731@aol.com>
Date: 2011-04-02
Name / Email khamil731@aol.com
Date 2 April 2011
Comments:
I am the great grand daughter of Roy Burton GRAHAM (1882-1939). I appreciate family who shares what they know. My cousins and I have hit a road block with our GRAHAM's. The earliest we have is Thomas GRAHAM b 1804 in Tenn d 1851 enroute to California m 1Unknown (~1805-1844) and 2Nancy Orrick (1819-1903)

Thomas and Unknown had 10 children and lived in Crawford County, Arkansas
Thomas and Nancy Orrick had 2 chidren.

My line is through Thomas and Unknown. Their 8th child was Francis Marion GRAHAM b 1841 d 1918 m Matilda J Cosley.

Francis (Frank) and Matilda (Jennie) had 8 boys, all born in California. Their 7th son was Roy Burton GRAHAM, my great grand father.

I have much more on this family. I am hoping I can find some clue as to where Thomas came from; who is parents and siblings were.

Many of my GRAHAMs lived in Arkansas, Arizona, and California.

Roy m Sylvan MARTIN and lived in the Modesto, California area.

As my GRAHAM's seem to have lived in the same area as your GRAHAM's; I guess I am hoping for a miracle.

Karen

 

Name: D. Craig Graham <grahamdcraig@hotmail.com>
Date: 2011-02-17
Comments:
Hello Cousins...
I would be very appreciative of any information you might offer regarding Steely Graham, son of Joseph and Nancy (Hilliard) Graham of Dodge County, Georgia. They married in Georiga in 1899. North Carolina, we think, is their origin.
Thank you so much for any information or direction you can offer.
Craig Graham

 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2010-11-19
Date Nov 17, 2010
Comments:
Thanks for writing. I think its unlikely there's a connection, but our John Graham was married in Bardtown in 1824 and Springfield is only 17 miles away, so who knows?. He didn't settle in Springfield, though, he went west to Fulton. I'd be delighted to hear what your aunt has discovered.

Thanks again.

 

Name: Buck Graham <buck_graham@yahoo.com>
Date: 2010-11-18
Comments:
I just wanted to let you know about a story that my aunt Marilyn Graham (maiden name) told me a month or so ago. She has done some digging and believes that our lineage comes from a John Graham that came to Kentucky with his brother, Andrew in roughly the time of the revolutionary war. Andrew was an officer but his brother John apparently was not. She said they settled in what is now Washington County somewhere near Springfield.

If you are interested in hearing more, I'd have to get my Aunt hooked up with you.

Very best wishes! Buck

 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2010-08-21
Date August 21, 2010
Comments:
Jack, please clarify: is it Mack Green Graham (1880- ?), a son of William J. Graham, who you are related to? On my William J. Graham page I note that he lived in Oklahoma and had children. If that's indeed whom you mean, I'd love to hear more, and I will update my page to reflect this new information. Thanks for contacting me.

Dave


 

Name: jack graham <jackdg@swbell.net>
Date: 2010-08-21
Comments:
I am a decendant of mack Graham. After he moved to Oklahoma he moved to Texas where he married my grandmother Alice Lawless and ended up in West Texas. I was told he returned to Kentucky around 1926 and died soon there after of "jake leg" a drinking disorder. My grandmother then returned to McCamey Tx where she raised their family.
 

Name: jean <soujourner17@yahoo.com>
Date: 2010-04-04
Comments:
Hello. I am looking for relatives of Andrew Jackson Graham. He was my grandfather and as a small child I was taken to New Orleans to see a statue of Jackson the president and told my granddad was named after him. I am pretty sure he died in the 1960's in Mississippi. If it is a family name it may be the same family. There does seem to be a lot of Grahams in some towns in Miss. and Lou. Can you help? Thanks, Jean





 

Name: David Graham <David.Graham@Wayne.edu>
Date: 2009-12-11
Name / Email David.Graham@Wayne.edu
Date 12/11/09
Comments:
Hello Johnny Ray and thanks for your message. There is a lot of interconnection between the Grahams and Crocketts in Kentucky and Tennessee. I have never found any Crocketts linked to the line of Grahams I have been researching however. If you discover any connections, please let me know. And thanks again.

Dave

 

Name: johnny ray graham <jrgraham47@blomand.net>
Date: 2009-12-10
Comments:
my great grandfater's name was david crockett graham
 

Name: Carolyn W <catscarolyn@yahoo.com>
Date: 2009-09-12
Comments:
Hi again If Oliver and Emily were your great great grandparents then was your mother Elby(Deb), if so Ira 'Pet'was her sister? Thats my greay great grandmother but I can't find any records of her. She married a Yates from Ky after William Shaw died. Just trying to see where you are in the family. Thanks carolyn
 

Name: Marsha Graham <icers@comcast.net>
Date: 2009-09-10
Comments:
Hiya David,

Can you please send me the link to your work on the Graham family. Steven is interested. Gordie knows almost minus 0. lol Thanks much,

Marsha

 

Name: David Graham <DavidG7@gmail.com>
Date: 2009-08-04
Comments:
Hi Carolyn. It's the coolest thing when distant relations write to me and say they were pleased to see my web page. One lady, Ramona Lynn Stewart, wrote to me from Scotland.

I haven't done any genealogical searching for a while, and I'm not sure if I know anything about the Oliver C. Graham side that's not on the web page. I did learn some things about John Graham's brother, Oliver Graham (b. 1806). I know of a Graham connection through the Jennings that includes William Jennings Bryan and William Brewster. Is that the Mayflower connection you have?.

The only old house I know about is Andrew Jackson Graham's and Martha Josephine Owen's house shown on the website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~andrewgraham/AJGraham.htm I think it's long gone. What house are you thinking of?

Thanks for writing.

 

Name: Carolyn Wright <Catscarolyn@yahoo.com>
Date: 2009-08-04
Comments:
I have other information on Grahams if you nee some.
 

Name: Carolyn Wright <Catscarolyn@yahoo.com>
Date: 2009-08-04
Comments:
My Grandmother (Ira Graham Daughter) was Sallie Graham Shaw she married Harry William Randall my father was Harry W Randall ll. Thanks
 

Name: carolyn wright <catscarolyn@yahoo.com>
Date: 2009-08-04
Comments:
I am a decendant of the Grahams you are talking about. Oliver C Graham. My greatgrandmother is Ira Graham her father was Oliver C Graham 9-18 1839 she was born in 1872 mothers name is Emily Catherine Harpole 8-18 1843. I would to talk to you about this. We go back to the Mayflower if you didn't know. I am trying to trace it through the Grahams. Thanks for the info Carolyn Randall Wright
 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2009-01-20
Date 1/20/2009
Comments:
Thanks for leaving a message in my guestbook. I'm delighted if my site was any help to you. Could you help me, though, and give me more information about Sara Ann Graham, mother of Kimberly Conrad? The name is very familiar but I'm not sure where it fits.

Thanks.

Dave

 

Name: Emily Conrad <emilyann@knights.ucf.edu>
Date: 2009-01-17
Comments:
I am doing a history project on the culture of our family. I am Kimberly Conrad's daughter who in turn in the daughter of Sara Ann Graham whose sister is Rose. This sight has been very helpful! Thanks and God Bless.
 

Name: John B. Kean <John@JohnKean.com>
Date: 2008-03-21
Comments:
Great job Dave.
John

 

Name: David Graham <DavidG7@Gmail.com>
Date: 2008-02-11
Comments:
Delighted that you stopped by, Jack, and shared what you did about your family. I don't seem to have any contacts on the Charlie Marshall Graham side of the family (or maybe I don't remember). If you care to share any more family information, I'd be delighted to receive it.

In case you didn't click on the Charlie Marshall link, try it now: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~andrewgraham/CharlesMarshallGraham.jpg (or maybe paste it in your browser) I don't know who sent me this picture.

 

Name: jack graham <grahampa@newwavecomm.net>
Date: 2008-02-11
Comments:
was glad to find that you have the graham records on the net, to update my name is jackie owen graham, the son of wayne o'neal graham and helen jerline collier, wayne passed away 8-12-75, helen jerline passed away 1-26-2001, wayne is buried in woodland heights cemetery in rector ark.
helen jerline is buried at jefferson barracks national cemetery in st.louis mo.

 

Name: Jerry Bryant <jbbryant@peoplepc.com>
Date: 2007-12-06
Comments:
looking for ancestors of William Brighton Graham buried in
Gainey Cemetery, Grady Co., GA

 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2007-07-16
Comments:
Thanks for your message, Karen. I added the new information to the web page. I'd be glad to add more or correct what I've done - just let me know.

You, I believe, are the first descendant of Louisa Graham to ever contact me. Welcome aboard.

Dave

 

Name: Karen Thornhill <only1karen@gmail.com>
Date: 2007-07-13
Comments:
Hello David: Just surfing the web and found your site; has a great feel to it. One update for you - Melvina Polsgrove (daughter of Louisa GRAHAM and Henry P POLSGROVE) is actually named Harriett Melvina POLSGROVE 22 JAN 1873 - 25 JUN 1952. She married Charles Miles UNDERWOOD (08 MAR 1875-03 JAN 1940) on 22 JAN 1893, Obion Co, Tennessee. They are my mother-in-law's grandparents through Edna Mae UNDERWOOD.
 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2007-06-24
Comments:
Mike Ferguson replied to my June 24, 2007 email a couple of hours later. He's probably incorrect in believing he's online more than me.

Hi David,

No problem on any "delays" in responding. I am online more than most people so I don't expect others to respond as quickly as I do. Plus like you said I did cover a lot of ground in my last email. Also you are very welcome to forward my emails on the Grahams to other interested researchers, unless for some reason I specifically ask you not to for some reason.

Regarding Mary Graham being, or not, the 7th child of John & Nancy, I would make the following argument:

1) Other than Oliver being listed in the same 1850 census entry with her and her husband James Crawford with Andrew's widow Nancy in the 1850 census in Fulton Co., a time when it would be natural for Oliver to be there as they were doubtless settling the estate, there is not so far as I have found, any evidence that Oliver or any of children ever lived in Fulton Co.

2) Calculated by her age in the census records, Mary Graham Crawford was born in 1829. If she were not John & Nancy's daughter, then their other children were born between 1832 and 1845, which would give a gap of 7-8 years after their marriage in Oct 1824 until their first child. You have to postulate their losing 2-3 children to early deaths for their first child who survived into teen years to only have been born in 1832.

3) The 6 other persons to whom John Graham deeded land around 1862 are *all* regarded by us and earlier family members as his children. For him to have deeded land to a niece would have been an anomaly.

4) Bearing the maiden name of Graham, and being listed in the 1850 census with Nancy Graham, Mary E. Graham is clearly the granddaughter of Andrew & Nancy. Although she *could* have been the child of Oliver or an unknown 3rd child of Andrew & Nancy who died earlier (and indications are they had more than 2 children but the other died very young), all the evidence above simply points to Mary E. Graham being the daughter of John & Nancy. And the fact that Oliver had a daughter named Mary doesn't introduce a potential conflict with such an attrribution because Oliver and his family lived so far away.

5) Finally, the fact that Jessie Graham did not list Mary Graham as the 7th child is not particularly relevant. I believe that besides gathering information from her extended family, she also did some research in official records, but that the above trail of evidence was not direct enough for her to find.


As to Oliver and his divorce proceeding, when I get to the archives next I will try to pull a copy of it if I have time, and will certainly do so one trip or another. Regarding his first wife Nancy Beeler and potential conflicts with her identity/parentage, that starts to strain the limits of my interest in pursuing collateral relations I am afraid. My normal practice is to research all the children of direct ancestors, and to get the names and if easy enough, some vital stats, on the children of those children. But I am afraid I'm not terribly interested in the relations by marriage of such collaterals. However when I finish up with Fulton and Hickman counties and can devote my efforts to Nelson/Bullitt, I will see if I can find another marriage for Nancy Beeler Graham as well, and possibly a court order granting the divorce decree to go along with the case file (and it might actually be in there).

Regarding you web page I understand 100%, and thought it might be too much to have you do the work of hosting information I send you. So the other day I requested a similar page from Rootsweb, and actually included a link to yours in my reason for wanting one, as an example of what I would like to do. Mainly I want a place to be able to share all the details of research, and not just the conclusions in the form of a WConnect family tree. However I will sometime soon perhaps put up a tree there on the Grahams so that I can use that to link to my webpage (assuming RW doesn't have a problem giving me one which they'd better not since I subscribe to Ancestry), and then which you can just link to as well.

When you get some time, I would be interested in you sharing your thoughts on not only the argument I gave above re Mary Graham, but also what I said in my last email about why I believe we can now say with confidence that John is the son of Andrew. Also whether you agree with my assessment of Vicki Thompson's tree info on Andrew and his potential father. One last note I will add to what I said previously her tree, is that I have often seen people graft a person onto a tree when it makes them either the eldest or the youngest child as she does there. Lacking any other potential candidtates for parents (mostly because of a lack of thorough research), they just find the closest one that *seems* decent, and then ignore any conflicts.

Also I would like to say, for the others interested in the Grahams that you are forwarding my messages to, that they are welcome as well to contact me directly with comments and questions, and they can in return forward what I say if they wish.

Best wishes,

Mike

 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2007-06-24
Comments:
I replied to Mike Ferguson's June 19 & 23, 2007 message, with this one on June 24, 2007:

Your latest message covered so many things I have had to take my time and plan a response. Here's my best:

I have not heard that Mary E. Graham was the 7th of John and Nancy. Oliver Graham's will says he had daughters named Mary and Elizabeth and I am inclined to think of Mary E. Graham as Oliver's daughter. John and Nancy could have had one too, though.

The most interesting to me is the information on Oliver's divorce. It explains why his first family is treated so badly in his will (one dollar to each child). I've been trying to discover more about his first wife, whom most sources say is Nancy Beeler, daughter of Thomas Preston Beeler and Sarah Floyd. The trouble with this was pointed out to me by Julie Beeler Schmees, who wrote
"...reviewing the information there are some questions, like the recorded date of marriage for Thomas and Sarah on 4 Aug 1812 with Thomas' birthday of 25 Feb 1790...and a supposed marriage of Nancy to Oliver on 18 Apr 1825...Nancy would have been 12??? In those days not impossible, but still improbable...I'll dig around (no pun) and see what I find..."
I'd love to have the transcript of the divorce filing. I wonder where Nancy Beeler went?

I have cc'd our past correspondence to several Graham genealogists whom I knew would appreciate being included. There didn't seem to be anything too personal in the exchanges, but I hope I haven't presumed too much. Let me know if you would prefer I would not. I'd like your permission, in fact, to post your emails to me and my replies in my Guestbook for everyone to see, so everything is accessible and in one place.

Finally, about the web page: In a way I've been burdened by it. There's errors and omissions that others have pointed out that I never got around to correcting. One way to handle it this to farm part of it out, as you suggest. I'm considering it. Another way might be for descendents of John and Nancy's children to put their own page up and let me link to it. One project I wish someone would take on is a furnishing a detailed GEDCOM of the information we have to WorldConnect.

Whatever the failings, the web page has put me in touch with a lot of neat people and provided hours of entertainment. I look forward to your next foray into the archives.

Dave

 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2007-06-24
Comments:
Mike Ferguson added the following to his 2nd message of June 19, 2007:

Hi David,

I couldn't sleep and was up late looking at genealogy stuff and noticed an error in my last email to you copied below. When I related the information about William Graham's divorce in the court files, I said that the deposition with the information was from James Hardy. However it was from James Crawford, the husband of John & Nancy Graham's eldest daughter. Here is a citation and extract of the relevant information:

William Graham vs. Lucy (Pecock) Graham, Divorce Petition
Fulton County, Kentucky
Fulton County Circuit Court Case Files (Box 2, Packet 46)
Filed 26 July 1856

Deposition of J.M Crawford:

Interrogatory 6: "State where plaintiff lived at the time defendant left him."

Ans: "He had been living for some time in Tennessee but at the time she left he was living in this county with his grandmother."

Interrogatory 7: "State if you know where plaintiff has been living since that time and where he now resides."

Ans: "He has lived a portion of the time in Mississippi but he now resides in this county with his father John Graham."


Mike

 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2007-06-24
Comments:
Mike Ferguson wrote to me again, on June 19, 2007:

David,

Thanks for your reply. First let me comment about what you said of the look of your website and what to present. I too like the look and feel of your current front page with the stories and pictures and such. But the kind of data I have is pretty much equivalent to the subpages you have links to like the land grants, nelson marriages, etc. So if you want to post the data I have you could easily just add some more pages for same, or indeed a main subpage with links to further ones. That would leave your front page unaltered for the most part but still allow fellow researchers to see the underlying research for either the Graham or other families like the Jennings and Andersons.

Thanks for the will and other info on Oliver. I have more information on him too, and although he is not our direct ancestor, I like getting as much info on collaterals as possible as sometimes that provides clues on direct ancestors. Plus it fills out the tree better and allows other distant cousins to more easily find a hook onto our tree. I have more information on Oliver past that on the World Connect page you gave me a link to (more on that in a bit). She correctly gives Tracy Quick as being Oliver's second wife and not his daughter. I have a note, but not a full copy I don't believe, of a divorce action initiated by his first wife Nancy for reasons of "bodily cruelty and hardness, especially when drunk". Although I don't think I copied all of it, I do have the citation to the Bullitt Co. Circuit Ct. case files where I found it in the archives many years ago. At the time I handled the actual papers, but I think now those case files might be on microfilm.

Regarding proof of Andrew being the father of John, I posed that question because I too had been lazy in assuming such for many years. However I recently reread some papers in my files which provide credible proof, almost sufficient by itself, but certainly so when added to the other connections between those two men. John's son William had a first marriage that ended in divorce, and which apparently wasn't known to Jessie as it didn't produce children that I have found. In the divorce action there are depositions from his brother Oliver C. and his brother-in-law James Hardy. Hardy gave an account of where William had been living at various times, as he apparently moved around some. He stated that at the time William's first wife (Lucy Pecock) abandoned him, that William was living "with his grandmother". Now since it can be proven that William's maternal grandmother, Ellen Jennings the widow of Hatsel, was living at the time in Spencer County, Indiana, then the reference can only be to his paternal grandmother, Nancy Graham.

This thus is a direct statement by a family member of a familial relationship that obviously means that John is in fact the son of Andrew (though it doesn't necessarily eliminate the chance that Nancy isn't the biological mother of John and who married Andrew after a potential first wife died when John and Oliver were infants and she later raised them). So I think we can now say with certainty that John is Andrew's son, but only that Oliver is his probable son.

It is disappointing that we haven't been able to find Andrew's will which is mentioned as being ordered to be recorded in the court minutes naming Nancy executor. The first will book of Fulton Co. that we can see now, is only a later typewritten copy of the original and was made in 1910, as the court note at the beginning of same on the microfilm states, and which came about because the old book was disentigrating. So we can't really be sure what we have now is a full and accurate copy of the first will book, and that Andrew's will wasn't lost in the copying. Of course it is possible that it was recorded in a different court record that we haven't found yet.

Regarding a new version of Jessie's map, I need to first complete checking land records, as I have only thoroughly checked Hickman County, and have only incomplete records for Fulton Co. which I still need to check.

Now I will comment on that webpage of Vickie Thompson, which I had not previously seen. I have believed for some time that Andrew Graham likely came from Pennsylvania or Maryland, and the 1850 census for his wife Nancy has as her state of birth a "M" followed by what could be an "a" or a "d", thus giving the dual possiblities of Mass or Md. I have studied the census scribe's handwriting, and I still am not sure which is the second letter, although Maryland is more likely for an immigrant to Kentucky, even though the Grahams weren't Catholic.

Overall I am doubtful of the attribution of that James T. Graham as Andrew's father, though it *could* be true. The first conflict is with the date of Andrew's birth of 1773 instead of 1779 which is what is computed from Andrew's age on his tombstone (but which of course was given by someone other than himself and could have been in error). 1779 is also the year of the death of James T. The second conflict is in the data given from the will of James T., which doesn't include over half of the children listed. Thirdly, while there is a reputed brother of Andrew in that family named James (Jr.), I in fact believe it likely, but without proof as yet, that Andrew did have a brother James, but who lived in Kentucky with him for a while before later moving to Indiana and Missouri (and there is yet another James Graham in the Bullitt census up to 1850 whose will is extant and who was born in Penn.). Fourthly, Andrew was listed in an early Nelson Co. tax record along with a William Graham, and there is no William for a brother in that webpage.

The early records of Nelson and Bullitt counties show a connection to Andrew by not just that William Graham, but also another John Graham, too old to be his son, who was trustee of the town of Shepherdsville around 1815, and with whom Andrew transacted town lots at the family friendly price of $1, and to a James *C* Graham. Obviously these other Grahams could be uncles or cousins and not brothers or a father. And it could be that Vicki Thompson's page is in the ballpark, but actually is the family of an uncle of Andrew. To me though the most likely names of Andrew's father are John or Oliver, if not Andrew.

Naturally other Grahams in early Bullitt and Nelson don't have to be related to Andrew just because the surnames are the same. And indeed there are identifiable a couple other Graham families in the surrounding counties like the famies of Hugh Graham and Francis Graham, who *probably* aren't related but of course could be.

One other thing makes it somewhat less likely that Andrew travelled to Kentucky without his father, which is that if his tombstone date of birth is correct, which seems likely given the fact that although we don't yet have his marriage record to Nancy, his tombstone date of birth makes him at the age of 21 in 1800 a year before John's birth, which is when young men commonly married. And indeed 1800 is the first year that he shows up on the tax rolls (for a poll tax and not land), which again happened at the age of 21. So it would have to be a big coincidence that he just happened to move to Kentucky at the same age when a minor living in the area would start creating his own records. Nonetheless, it is still possible that if his father did indeed die when he was an infant, that he travelled to Kentucky with uncles and cousins.

I have other land records for Andrew in Bullitt Co., including a couple transactions that led to a court case in which he apparently was involved in perpetrating a fraud to aid a friend or relative (Andrew Lewis Rogers) to avoid having the property of that Rogers sold to pay debts. There is also an interesting court case in which Andrew sued a couple men for failing to deliver a quantity of whiskey for sale that had been promised, and in which he is adjudged damages in the form of both currency and tobacco.

As Andrew lived in the town of Shepherdsville apparently for some years, and also doesn't seemed to have farmed then as he later did in Hickman/Fulton, I think he was a merchant of some sort. He lived in Nelson Co from 1800-04, then Bullitt until about 1822, and then in Jefferson Co. for about 7 years before moving with John to Hickman. He isn't in the 1830 census, but the Hickman entry for John has an older male of the correct age to be Andrew, though not for some reason a similarly aged female who would be Nancy. Perhaps though that is just a census error. 1829 is the first year that John and Andrew show up on the Hickman tax rolls.

I am going to try to get back to the archives by the end of next month to finish up on searching the Fulton Co. deeds. When I do I will add that information to what I already have, and send you an attachment with all of those Fulton/Hickman land transactions. Indeed there is a confusing situation which I need to clear up, in which Andrew apparently sold John the exact same land twice 8 years apart, once in 1840 in Hickman, and then again in 1848 in Fulton, and which later John deeded to his children William and Mary. I thus expect to find a 3rd transaction in the Fulton deeds for that land, possibly indicating that they were trying some tax dodge to set a lower value on the land.

By the way I am curious as to whether you were familiar with John's 7th child, Mary E., who as I mentioned in my previous email Jessie had omitted? Although without a will by John there isn't a direct statement of her relationship, for the reasons I gave in that email, she has to be his first child.

I'll close now on another long email. I feel fortunate to be in touch with you as well, and maybe our efforts combined with those of the other Graham researchers you alluded to will help us to take our Graham line back further, and with convincing proof.

Mike

 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2007-06-24
Comments:
I replied to Mike Ferguson's email message of June 19, 2007 on the same day:

I have been much too careless in insisting, without proof, that Andrew is the father of John and Oliver. Pangs of guilt have long afflicted me over this. But I never fixed it. The only justification I have for the connection, indeed, is "Jessie said so."

Actually, though, somebody else said so, too. I just ran across this a few weeks ago: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=popfraley&id=I27710

If it proves true, its the mother lode. I wrote and asked Vickie Beard Thompson for some substantiation. So far no reply.

I went to the Kentucky Archives as part of a vacation in April, 2006. (Funny what some people think of as vacation.) I found Oliver's will. A transcription is attached, along with other stuff I've collected about Oliver.

I'm excited to learn about your work with property records. I asked Joyce Champion if she knew the boundries of John's farm, and she said Jessie and Edrie Miller (and maybe others) went and located it, but Joyce didn't go. She made me a copy of Jessie's handwritten map which I redrew and put on the web page. I wonder if you might draw a corrected version?

Let me think about how many of your records I might use on my page. I still think my initial approach, with introductory anecdotes and pictures, is good, but I've come to appreciate the approach by Terry Albers, who has a lot of Graham stuff too. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~albersandmore/ I like how his page can be searched. I think the thing to do is combine the two.

I'm delighted to hear from yet another Graham reasearcher. There's about ten of us that I know about - and probably more I don't know about. Maybe its time for an email forum or something.

Dave

 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2007-06-24
Comments:
I received the following email from Mike Ferguson on June 19, 2007:

Hi David,

My name is Mike Ferguson, and I have visited your rootsweb page on Andrew & John Graham many times as I am a descendant of them as well. Walter Ferguson and Elba Graham (>Oliver C.>John>Andrew) were my great grand-parents. I have worked on genealogy on and off over the past 25 years or so and have been working on it a lot lately, especially trying to clear up the details with a view to determining the parentage of Andrew Graham.

Like you I was helped over 20 years ago by Jessie Graham's work, and still have an old photocopy of same. However I think it is easy to be lazy and just jump to Bullitt and Nelson counties where we know the Grahams lived prior to moving to the Purchase area, before making sure we have wrung all the information out of the Fulton/Hickman area, and especially making sure that we have the evidence to prove each link in the chain up to John and Andrew, even though we are sure of the links from oral tradition and the work of Jessie Graham which was mostly right.

With that in mind I have visited the Kentucky State Library and Archives recently (I am only about 45 minutes from same though unfortunately they aren't open on Saturday) and plan to do so again, reviewing records from Hickman and Fulton counties to add to that which I have collected over the years. I would be happy to share what I have with you and for you to put same on your webpage. I can provide census extracts, deed transcripts and abstracts, and also other records. I don't know how much raw research you want to post, but I can provide as well negative searches so that those working on this family don't have to search the same records again without success.

Regarding what I said above about first making sure we can prove the links to later generations including our own, in the past century it becomes easy when you can have an interlocking series of vital records. But earlier than 1900, one has to use land transactions and other records when there is no will that can be found like for Andrew or John. And though we are "sure" that Andrew is John's father, and likely the elder Oliver's as well, what if I asked you to prove that Andrew wasn't merely John's uncle? It can be proved that they were father and son, but only by assembling multiple records, as there isn't one yet that I have seen that states a direct relationship.

So if you would be interested in posting the information I have on your web page please let me know, including the level of detail you wish.

Also I would like to point out a couple errors in the genealogy of Jessie Graham posted on the site.

1) The listing for Elba Graham (my great-grandmother) who was daughter of Oliver C. Graham has her last name listed as "Shaw", which is an error where the surname of the previous person was carried over.

2) Jessie ommitted one of John's children, which is surprising given that she included that other daughter on her map that you reproduced with the notation of having 80 acres like the other children. That 7th child was apparently the oldest and was Mary E. Graham who married James Crawford in Fulton County on 15 June 1850, and who along with her husband are listed in the census that year with her grandmother, Nancy Graham, the widow of Andrew. Her relationship is further proven by the deed of land of 80 acres which she received in 1862 along with the other siblings, and a copy of which I have.

3) Jessie's map of the land deeded by John Graham to his children is off. Since the land in the Jackson Purchase, unlike the rest of Kentucky, was set up via the public land section system, it is easy to make such a map showing the relationship of the parcels to each other given the section references in the deeds. However some of the deeds give an east and west portion of a quarter section, and others a north and south portion. While she has the relative position of Mary Crawford's piece and Nancy Hardy's correct, that of William should be adjacent to Nancy's, unless he swapped with his brother Andrew (and note that I only have some Fulton deeds and haven't as yet thoroughly searched for all of same as I have with Hickman Co. recently). And Oliver's portion was split north/south and should be lying differently. It should also be noted that two of the daughters, Louisa and Elizabeth, had their portions in Hickman and not Fulton County, from land in a different range.

Also there is a link you might want to include on your page to a portion of the Bullitt Co GenWeb site managed by Ann Livingston entitled "Quick notes on early central kentucky families"
http://www.rootsweb.com/~kybullit/bcqng.htm
which has short research tidbits on many families including ones we are interested in like Graham, Jennings and Anderson.

Regarding the excerpts you give for Grants West of the Tennessee River, there are two that were to our ancestor:

Graham, Jno 160 1 349 NWQrSec16 T-1 R-3 W
Graham, Jno 160 2 224 SWQrSec10 T-1 R-2 W.

I don't yet have copies of those grants, as the website for the Kentucky Secretary of State's Land Office which is indexing and digitizing same, hasn't yet got to the non-military grants in the Purchase. However I might just order them from Frankfort in the meantime. I am sure of those two though because deeds in Hickman and Fulton by John Graham pertain to them. The land in the first grant he later sold to a 3rd party, and the land in the second is the Hickman Co. land he gave to Louisa and Elizabeth.

Also despite what I said about wanting to finish with Fulton and Hickman counties before moving back to Bullitt and Nelson, I have in fact collected a lot of information in past years about Andrew Graham in those counties as you have, including deeds and court cases, not to mention more Fulton/Hickman stuff. And I have information on the Jennings and Anderson families.

Anyway I'll end for now and look forward to your reply.

Your distant cousin,

Mike Ferguson




 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2007-06-01
Comments:
On WorldConnect Pat Stevens has one of the most complete Thomas Beeler - Sarah Floyd entries http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=stevensp&id=I04067 . He doesn't have anything about daughters Patsey and Ann, though. He has a few minor differences, but I'm pretty sure its the same family.

In a email to me Julie Beeler Schmees gave me a lot of information on the Kentucky Beelers. She caused me to be a little less sure that the Nancy Beeler who married Oliver Graham in 1825 was indeed the daughter of Thomas and Sarah. If you have further information on your Nancy Beeler I'd love it if you would share it.

 

Name: Jim Beeler <jbeelersr@comcast.net>
Date: 2007-06-01
Comments:
Thomas F. Beeler was married to Sarah P. Floyd 4 August 1812 information provided by my cousin, Tom and Carol Beeler. Thomas was born 25 Feb 1790. Two additional daughters besides Nancy was Patsey and Ann.
 

Name: David Graham <davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2007-02-05
Comments:
Sorry, Linda, I don't know of any connection we might have with a Jacob Franklin Graham.

Dave

 

Name: Linda Welch Marinkovich <lmarinkovich2549@sbcglobal.net>
Date: 2007-02-04
Comments:
Hello,
Do your Grahams have a connection Jacob Franklin Graham in Daviss Co. Ky?

 

Name: David Graham <Davidg7@gmail.com>
Date: 2006-12-21
Comments:
Sorry, Barbara,not a single name matches up with any of my Grahams. All of the family I know about is from central and western Kentucky. If you had a few spouse's names and some dates I could help you look. You probably know about this, but in case you don't, you can check a lot of records very quickly at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com and http://familysearch.org You usually need a little more information, like a spouse or parent's name, to get very far.

I hope we do eventually find a connection. I'd like to be able to claim Daniel Boone and the longhunters in my family, too.

 

Name: Barbara pervis <Blurose1940@yahoo.com>
Date: 2006-12-21
Comments:
I may have contacted you before, if so please forgive me I am related to the Graham family....... My GGGrandfather was H D Graham Called {Henry} ........ GGrandfather was Jackson Frederick { K or J }Graham called Jack...... Grandmother was Sarah Frances Graham...... GGGrand was from North Carolina... GGrand Jack was born in Georgia... Grand Mother Sarah was born in Ky.... I also have a Robert Graham and a Mary Graham sister and brother of Jackson they were born in Tenn. I am having problems connecting with other Grahams.... do you have any of these names in your ancestry? Thank you Barbara
 

Name: claudia <graham.claudia@gmail.com>
Date: 2006-12-18
Comments:
Just checking to see if the guestbook works.
 

Name: Donna Watts <sdwatts2001@yahoo.com>
Date: 2006-04-19
Comments:
Found this very interesting. My grandmother was Lula Graham Polsgrove.
 

Name: terry hatfield <terhat@bellsouth.net>
Date: 2005-10-16
Comments:
i'm kin to the hardy's who lived in nelson county, i'm trying to find out who joseph b. hardy b.1815/16 parents are. joseph was married to mary jane beaven in nelson county 1837, there is also another joseph hardy b.1818, who married elizabeth hagan.
 

Name: Barbara Pervis <blurose1940@yahoo.com>
Date: 2005-02-10
Comments:
David:Ifound this site interesting as I am also related to Grahams of kentucky..According to folklore my GreatGrandfather Jackson Frederick Johnson Graham along with his Brother Robert Graham came up the mountains from North Carolina , Tenn .. they supposedly led wagons through the Mts .also I was told were part of Daniel Boones excursions in that area..Jackson Married Nancy Jane McCubbins in Hardin county Ky..they had 8 children.. I do know that his mothers first name was Elizabeth and he had a sister Mary... do you have any info on this side of family???? my uncle told me that they wore buckskin clothes and were called Teamsters or Longhunters ..all my family are dead that would have any info on this.. Grandpa Jack was born in 1843 not sure what state, Georgia ,,,Tenn or North Carolina.. Thank you Barbara Pervis
 

Name: Ramona Lynne Chambers Stewart <ramona @stewartfamily.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: 2005-01-20
Comments:
Hi! I am Lucretia Graham's great-grand daughter. My dad Raymond married Herminia Andrade in 1952.(poor mom she was missing from your list.) I moved from the Us in 1986 and now live in Leeds, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom, with my husband Geoffrey ( from Belfast, Northern Ireland) and my 2 daughters Lillie Alexandra Chambers Stewart and Cayce Charlotte Chambers Stewart (named after the town in KY). I also have a son (Scott Vezina) from a previous marriage who lives in RI.I can give you more details and dates if you need them. I am interested in more info on Jesse Diggs Chambers if you have any. I can't seen to find much (just a couple of photos that ,my Dad says are of him).
 

Name: David Graham <degraham3@comcast.net>
Date: 2004-10-04
Comments:
I always acknowledge my guestbook visitors and answer any questions by email. Unfortunately, the rest of the site visitors don't get to see that correspondence and see what we discuss and learn what might be going on in the exploding field of Graham family research.

In truth, progress in genealogy is like the creep of tectonic plates (slow). I frequently check the Rootsweb and Genealogy.com and other Graham forums, and I search the LDS and WorldConnect sites for new data. I used to take ski vacations in Salt Lake City and spend a day or two searching their library. I think a trip to the library in Frankfort, KY is what is needed next.

I have found little pieces here and there, but nothing on the big questions like these:

1. Who were Andrew Graham's progenitors and where did they come from?
2. Who was Andrew's wife, Nancy?
3. What about Oliver Graham, whom we suppose was John Graham's brother?
4. How does Nancy Graham, who married William Simpson Johnson, fit in to all of this?
5. Who was the mother of Nancy Jennings, wife of John Graham?

In addition to these, I'm curious about some small things:

1. Exactly where were the boundaries of John Graham's land? Which roads, if roads bound it?
2. Where was the 50 Mile Tree? (see State Road survey)
3. Who were the original claimants of John Graham's land, when Jackson Purchase property became available? How were the original parcels laid out?
4. Do I own a castle in Scotland?

I feel guilty about not putting more stuff on my Graham page, but I just can't seem to get around to it. At least I should add pictures. New guestbook visitors keep things moving, and I'm grateful. Do I need a blog? Suggestions would be welcome.

Thank you Elaine, for checking in. I don't know if I have corresponded with you before, but I remember Joyce Champion mentioning you. I think I got the "8 Guys" picture from Joyce. It is absolutely precious. I wish I knew more about all of the gentlemen in it. It was the only one I had that had Booker in it.

Dave

 

Name: Sheryl Elaine (Bethel) Gump <smileytaxi@sbcglobal.com>
Date: 2004-10-02
Comments:
Hi David

This is Elaine, your Aunt Ollie Chambers grand-daughter. I lost contact with everyone for a long time glad to have some contact again. Hope everyone is doing well

Nice site you have here... I have enjoyed it very much. You don't happen to know anything about the Leonard Chambers named in the picture of the 8 guys do you?

 

Name: Velma Graham Finley <vrgfdonna@aol.com>
Date: 2004-06-05
Comments:
I'm searching for my Ky. Grahams. James Newton Graham & wife, Sarah Fortenberry lived in Ky. (County unknown), where they had 6 children. Sometime after their youngest son was born in 1831, they migrated to N.E. Al. They arrived there in time for the 1840 Census.
Thank you.

 

Name: sandra gail hardy-rourke <sandrasmith02@msn.com>
Date: 2004-04-03
Comments:
very interesting. nancy graham and joseph hardy were my great grandparents.we visited my grandparents george w hardy and maggie hardy every summer when i was growing up.they lived on a farm on the state line road and are buried in liberty baptist cemetery. i went to church there as a child when i visited.hardys still live on the same farm . this was fun to read
 

Name: Andrew Graham <bgbreth3@yahoo.com>
Date: 2003-11-26
Comments:
Wel, I love the Name Andrew, because I am named andrew, may andrew Graham rest in the world of all andrews, amen
 

Name: Margery Graham <gramar57@aol.com>
Date: 2003-11-12
Comments:
Very informative and interesting site. My research pertains to James Chambers Graham born 1792 in Bullitt Co., KY, son of Oliver and Mary Graham. On the 1824 Jefferson Co., KY tax list James C. Graham is listed next to Andrew Graham. I've always felt there was a strong connection there.
 

Name: Mrs Evelynne M. Ritter <prairielady@att.net>
Date: 2003-10-10
Comments:
I am a descendent of Mary Harrison "Mollie" Oliver Logan. Born on 15FEB1853 in ANDERSON COUNTY, KY daughter of James and Susan Harrison Oliver.

Mollie married to JAMES FRANKLIN LOGAN on 24DEC 1876, possibly in Des Moines Iowa.

James F. Logan was born on 06DEC1852 in Cloverdale, IN to James Alexander and Susan B. Connelly Logan.

James and Mollie had nine children, 6 growing to adulthood, 3 dying infancy or at birth. My maternal grandfather was one of these children.

Mollie Logan died of Typhoid Fever on 28AUG1895 at MINGO, THOMAS COUNTY, KANSAS and is buried at the Mingo Cemetery next to her husband and an infant son, near Colby, Kansas.

If you have any family information on the OLIVER family I would appreciate hearing from you.

 

Name: Patricia Jennings <psj@misn.com>
Date: 2003-10-10
Comments:
I enjoyed your web site.These jennings are really hard to find.I have been looking for a Woodson Jennings and wife
Nancy.Was told they came to Missoui from W.Virginia.I found them in Mo in 1850.Ill keep trying.

 

Name: Elizabeth Ferguson <eaferguson@prodigy.net>
Date: 2003-07-04
Comments:
I was excited to stumble across your site. I already had a copy of Jessie and Edrie's paper. It was given to me first by my Aunt, Carrie Lou Ferguson Faulkner. I've got more info on Oliver and Kit Graham's family, from whom I am descended. I'll send it on.
 

Name: Bonnie Furnish <BJFurnish@aol.com>
Date: 2003-04-26
Comments:
David

Great work! Thank you so much. I had some info but you have added to it. I am going to have a wonderful weekend after finding this site. You know how it is (being a fellow genealogist) when you stumble upon info and photos of distant family, after hitting brick walls repeatedly. Thank you again, it was truly appreciated.

Bonnie Furnish

 

Name: James Edward Graham <CodeEnforcement@sbcglobal.net>
Date: 2003-03-05
Comments:
All the Graham's that I am kin to,came out of Kentucky and ended up in Mississippi County, Mo. This being around Charleston,Anniston and East Praire, Mo.
 

Name: Gary Heffley <garyheffley@centurytel.net>
Date: 2003-01-10
Comments:
I am searching for another Andrew Jackson Graham, my great grandfather. He was born aoubt 1828, probably in Tennessee. He first married Amanda Timberlake and 2nd. Rebecca Holliman. I am trying to locate his parents. One source stated that his father was James Graham who was married to Mary Dobson but this information is not true. Because of the same names I thought my Andrew Jackson and your Andrew Jackson may have been related. If you have any information about a possible connection it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for you consideration.
 

Name: Carol Statkus <carolstatkus@cablespeed.com>
Date: 2002-12-16
Comments:
Dear David,

I re-typed the genealogy that Jessie and Edrie had done. The copy I had, had been recopied so many times that it was really hard to read. If you would like a copy of it, send me your address and I will print you out a copy and mail it to you.

Carol

 

Name: Carol Graham Statkus <carolstatkus@cablespeed.com>
Date: 2002-12-16
Comments:
I am the great, great, great granddaughter of Andrew Graham and Nancy. Hoping that in 2003 someone out there will figure out who Andrew's parents are and what is Nancy's maiden name.
 

Name: wcarey <wcarey@cox-internet.com>
Date: 2002-10-20
Comments:
I am looking for the family of James Graham, b abt. 1750.
He had a son Andrew, who married Lucida Hylton. They had
Benjamin Franklin, born 1812, and James, born 1806. Benjamin and Lucinda had Richard Francis, who married Rachel Webb, in Lawrence co. Ky.
Thank you very much. WCarey

 

Name: wanda carey <jcarey@flippin.oursc.k12.ar.us>
Date: 2002-08-05
Comments:
I am looking for my Graham family. Richard Graham was married to Elizabeth Webb in Lawrence Co. Ky. He was the son of Benjamin Graham. I do not have any information on this family. I do not know where Richard or his father were from. Wanda Carey
 

Name: Andrew Graham <Andrew.Graham@rabits.co.uk>
Date: 2002-07-09
Comments:
Just thought you would like to know.... I'm Andrew Graham (A Different Andrew Graham !!!)
 

Name: Camilla Graham Robinson <Mildewranch@AOL.com>
Date: 2002-05-13
Comments:
My Graham relatives lived in Union County Kentucky around the 1860's and the early 1900's .I was interested in seeing if any of the the names matched what I have. I am new at tracing these records and don't know much about computing. It is however, very interesting.
 

Name: Doris Graham Partin <dpartin@htcomp.net>
Date: 2002-03-10
Comments:
My great grandfather was Isaac Pendleton Graham. I don't recognize any of the names in your family but who knows, we are probably related somewhere down the line. I enjoyed your web site very much.
 

Name: LINDA LEE GRAHAM-MILLER <rmiller@onecom.com>
Date: 2002-03-06
Comments:
JUST DABBLING IN...I AM THE GRAND-DAUGHTER OF HARRY GRAHAM OF WARREN, OHIO IN TRUMBULL COUNTY. I WONDER IF YOU KNOW OF ANY CONNECTION UP THIS WAY. MY GRANDFATHER HAD BROTHERS BUT NONE MARRIED & MY PARENTS HAVE PASSED AWAY. ANOTHER RELATIVE IS ANDREW GRAHAM ALSO FROM WARREN OHIO--BORN OCT 29, 1867 DIED OCT 11,1947. UNSURE IF THIS IS MY GREAT UNCLE OR MY GREAT GRANDFATHER. I WOULD BE SO HAPPY FOR ANY INFO. THANKS FOR THIS PAGE! LINDA
 

Name: Chuck Moon <cwmooner@yahoo.com>
Date: 2002-02-09
Comments:
I trying to find the line that Martin Van Buren Graham and William Henry Graham are from. Martin was born in Bowling Green in 1850 or so. William was my great-grandfather and died in Missouri in the 1930's.I don't think Martin ever married. William married Emma Hooser in 1882. Any leads would help. Thanks
 

Name: Linda Hardy Cooper <llcooper@mindspring.com>
Date: 2001-11-26
Comments:
I am descended from Joseph H. Hardy and Nancy Graham Hardy.
 

Name: Cathy Graham Willfond <catwil2002@yahoo.com>
Date: 2001-10-22
Comments:
I really enjoyed seeing your web-site.I am a decendant of John and Nancy. Andrew Jackson Graham is my great-grandfather. My brother Lynn Graham sent this to me. Thanks for putting it on the web.
 

Name: Claudia Graham <canngraham@aol.com>
Date: 2001-10-16
Comments:
That picture has got to go. I will be scanning a new one directly.